Comments on: Ugly Not Harsh Enough: Browns Play Like it’s Preseason in 16-6 Loss http://www.brownsgab.com/2008/11/23/ugly-not-harsh-enough-browns-play-like-its-preseason-in-16-6-loss/ Browns Gab is for the true diehard Cleveland Browns fan. Make us your one-stop source for all the latest Browns news, game predictions, player tidbits and objective commentary. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:36:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Doug http://www.brownsgab.com/2008/11/23/ugly-not-harsh-enough-browns-play-like-its-preseason-in-16-6-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-3842 Doug Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:59:15 +0000 http://www.brownsgab.com/?p=607#comment-3842 I think a lot of this boils down to coaching. My biggest problem is Def. Cord. Mel Tucker. I know he's a son of Cleveland but that only goes so far. As a former defensive backs coach you would at least expect our pass defense to be strong, which it isn't. As for the run defense consider this. The Texans are up 7-0 and have a 4th and inches. Do they take the sure 3 point field goal to go ahead 10-0? No, the Texans... that's right the TEXANS!! hold our defense in such disdain that they go for the first down. Did anyone else notice the size of the holes Texan running backs had to run through? Nuff said. On the other side of the ball, I think Quinn is our QB of the future. He needs work for sure, he consistently throws behind receivers or too low, but these are skills that can be taught. He seems to have pretty good pocket presence and he is much more mobile than DA. He and Jamal just had a bad day with 2 turnovers each. I'm not sure what is going on with Braylon, it has to be a confidence issue, and it would be nice if a COACH could help him out or find some solution. I think the Browns have the athletes to be a winning football franchise, unfortunately they don't have the coaching staff to put then in the right places to make plays or the right mentality to win games. Romeo is not a professional caliber head coach. He proves this time and time again as do his assistants. Replacing Quinn mid game? That is the sign of desperation from a man who sees the end of his coaching career coming at him like a freight train. And by replacing Quinn mid game , he has effectively just tied himself to the tracks. In the words of Elmer Fudd " good widance to bad wubbish.” I think a lot of this boils down to coaching. My biggest problem is Def. Cord. Mel Tucker. I know he’s a son of Cleveland but that only goes so far. As a former defensive backs coach you would at least expect our pass defense to be strong, which it isn’t. As for the run defense consider this. The Texans are up 7-0 and have a 4th and inches. Do they take the sure 3 point field goal to go ahead 10-0? No, the Texans… that’s right the TEXANS!! hold our defense in such disdain that they go for the first down. Did anyone else notice the size of the holes Texan running backs had to run through? Nuff said. On the other side of the ball, I think Quinn is our QB of the future. He needs work for sure, he consistently throws behind receivers or too low, but these are skills that can be taught. He seems to have pretty good pocket presence and he is much more mobile than DA. He and Jamal just had a bad day with 2 turnovers each. I’m not sure what is going on with Braylon, it has to be a confidence issue, and it would be nice if a COACH could help him out or find some solution. I think the Browns have the athletes to be a winning football franchise, unfortunately they don’t have the coaching staff to put then in the right places to make plays or the right mentality to win games. Romeo is not a professional caliber head coach. He proves this time and time again as do his assistants. Replacing Quinn mid game? That is the sign of desperation from a man who sees the end of his coaching career coming at him like a freight train. And by replacing Quinn mid game , he has effectively just tied himself to the tracks. In the words of Elmer Fudd ” good widance to bad wubbish.”

]]> By: Dan Bienko http://www.brownsgab.com/2008/11/23/ugly-not-harsh-enough-browns-play-like-its-preseason-in-16-6-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-3837 Dan Bienko Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:41:30 +0000 http://www.brownsgab.com/?p=607#comment-3837 Well, another typical Browns game under RAC/Savage/Lerner. How pathetic has this team become?! Hmmm...let's see, Houston can not stop the run...we have a pounder like Jamal Lewis and a speedster like Harrison and we only run the ball 17 times? We pull our QB after having one bad start (second INT was the receivers fault) when our original starter was given 8 games to screw up. Our Defensive Guru of a head coach has probably the worst defense in the league. Nice choice on Tucker by the way. Maybe if we would have ran the ball more and gave Brady a chance to compose himself, AND Braylon hang on to a few balls we might have had a chance against hapless Houston. Jamal and Josh hit the nail on the head. The team has quit, the coaching staff inspires NOTHING from its players and the front office is to proud and stupid to say they made a mistake hiring RAC. Maybe if we had the other teams play signals RAC might be able to have a great defense here as well. For once in my adult life I wold love to say that we are the best, but I do not see this happening any time soon. The fans have had enough as was evident by the lack of them in the stands. RAC/Savage/Lerner has managed to break the spirit of the most loyal and devoted fans ever seen. Up until today the stadium has been packed. I am sure we the fans will be responsible for this horrible team some how. Because we don't fill the stadium anymore, the team will lose money and not be able to get good players....so on and so forth. To bad the front office, coaching staff and players do not have the drive and passion that their fans do, maybe they would be a better team! Well, another typical Browns game under RAC/Savage/Lerner. How pathetic has this team become?! Hmmm…let’s see, Houston can not stop the run…we have a pounder like Jamal Lewis and a speedster like Harrison and we only run the ball 17 times? We pull our QB after having one bad start (second INT was the receivers fault) when our original starter was given 8 games to screw up.
Our Defensive Guru of a head coach has probably the worst defense in the league. Nice choice on Tucker by the way. Maybe if we would have ran the ball more and gave Brady a chance to compose himself, AND Braylon hang on to a few balls we might have had a chance against hapless Houston.
Jamal and Josh hit the nail on the head. The team has quit, the coaching staff inspires NOTHING from its players and the front office is to proud and stupid to say they made a mistake hiring RAC. Maybe if we had the other teams play signals RAC might be able to have a great defense here as well.
For once in my adult life I wold love to say that we are the best, but I do not see this happening any time soon. The fans have had enough as was evident by the lack of them in the stands. RAC/Savage/Lerner has managed to break the spirit of the most loyal and devoted fans ever seen. Up until today the stadium has been packed.
I am sure we the fans will be responsible for this horrible team some how. Because we don’t fill the stadium anymore, the team will lose money and not be able to get good players….so on and so forth. To bad the front office, coaching staff and players do not have the drive and passion that their fans do, maybe they would be a better team!

]]> By: Artthepro http://www.brownsgab.com/2008/11/23/ugly-not-harsh-enough-browns-play-like-its-preseason-in-16-6-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-3836 Artthepro Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:33:47 +0000 http://www.brownsgab.com/?p=607#comment-3836 Romeo oh Romeo....where for art thou Romeo? Me thinks Romeo is bye-bye very soon...hope he takes his coaching staff with him...another disgraceful performance by our one ilustrious Browns. Romeo oh Romeo….where for art thou Romeo?

Me thinks Romeo is bye-bye very soon…hope he takes his coaching staff with him…another disgraceful performance by our one ilustrious Browns.

]]> By: Dan http://www.brownsgab.com/2008/11/23/ugly-not-harsh-enough-browns-play-like-its-preseason-in-16-6-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-3835 Dan Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:32:27 +0000 http://www.brownsgab.com/?p=607#comment-3835 I have had it after this debacle. The Browns did nothing right and everything wrong. 13 for 32 passing? Cleveland is number 32, thats very last in completion % as a team in the entire NFL. Braylon dropped another 5 passes. Whats that now? 21 dropped passes? They got away from the running game, so they relied on a terrible passing game. DA was no better than Quinn in any way. 1 sack by Wimbley was it for pressure on the Texans QB? What's up with that Tucker? The defensive backfield did nothing either. They gave up as many yards as Houston wanted. Special teams didn't come to the game at all. Cribbs, 5 yard average on punt returns? 26 yards per average on KO returns? You can't constantly start in a hole. Where was the special teams coverage team? They didn't do anything either. Lewis averages 5.8 yds per carry but you only run him 10 times? Harrison averaged 4.4 and you run him 7 times? The Browns management all needs to be taken out and literally shot. I am so fed up with this crap, I took out every piece of Cleveland Browns memorabilia since the 1999 return, and it's smoldering in the burn barrel as I type. This Cleveland Browns "new" franchise can never take the old Browns from me, but you sure as hell can have this group. I am done with them. If Crennel is still here then I am not. GO CAVS !!! I have had it after this debacle. The Browns did nothing right and everything wrong. 13 for 32 passing? Cleveland is number 32, thats very last in completion % as a team in the entire NFL. Braylon dropped another 5 passes. Whats that now? 21 dropped passes? They got away from the running game, so they relied on a terrible passing game. DA was no better than Quinn in any way. 1 sack by Wimbley was it for pressure on the Texans QB? What’s up with that Tucker? The defensive backfield did nothing either. They gave up as many yards as Houston wanted.
Special teams didn’t come to the game at all. Cribbs, 5 yard average on punt returns? 26 yards per average on KO returns? You can’t constantly start in a hole. Where was the special teams coverage team? They didn’t do anything either. Lewis averages 5.8 yds per carry but you only run him 10 times? Harrison averaged 4.4 and you run him 7 times?
The Browns management all needs to be taken out and literally shot. I am so fed up with this crap, I took out every piece of Cleveland Browns memorabilia since the 1999 return, and it’s smoldering in the burn barrel as I type. This Cleveland Browns “new” franchise can never take the old Browns from me, but you sure as hell can have this group. I am done with them. If Crennel is still here then I am not. GO CAVS !!!

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